I feel the idea of Goku having all the powers of ssj God has been inconsistent....IIRC Goku was being pinned by Tupper and Android 18 picked him up easily. ..Are you serious with this sentence? Gohan's potential was always extraordinary. You can keep playing dumb until you're face turns blue, but at the end of the day, I already laid out the consistent facts and they prove that Goku was always the one to sandbag during a match to either test himself, give false hope, take easy and / or steadily train his opponents. 17's beam were never causing any effect on Toppo whatsoever, and Toppo, and even U7 on the bleachers clearly stated as such (Android 18 and Piccolo specifically) that they were never hurting Toppo, but were used infinitely to stall the 5 minutes remaining. He just did the same thing again. You're just simply never going to realize that Goku was ALWAYS in control of the entire sparring match and never took Gohan seriously until Gohan pleaded multiple times, and let his own son get a few blows after realizing that SS2 beyond god was simply too much. Anyway, probably Gohan. @erkan12: you really think Goku wasn't holding back even in SSB? That was not a real fight. the difference between Gohan and Frieza is that Gohan had to beg for Goku to even turn blue and take him seriously but against Frieza, Goku went SSB right off the bat. Frieza is pretty arrogant. Gohan asked him to show his full power a.k.a SSB+kaioken. Ultimate Gohan should be solid SSB level, and maybe even stronger than Vegeta was prior to his decision to push for some last moment serious training after feeling the final clash between Ultimate Gohan and SSBKK Goku. Tien, literally did nothing besides take someone down with him. @erkan12: Yeah, I'll wait until Gohan has a real fight to gauge his power. Not sure either were full power despite freiza saying gohan was and frieza saying he would respond with his true power. Yeah it was an act for sure, but why would Frieza say he would have killed Gohan if he hadn't caught on? @omriamar: Speculating? I rest my case though. He also fought the trio de danger all at once in base. It's clearly not as powerful as people hype it up to be imo. If you say that Gohan is equal to SSB Goku then how do you explain that he struggled against SSJ2 Goku? And to say that Piccolo matched with Pirina and Saonel... Lol. Plus we have base Goku equal to the copy Vegeta that stomped ssj3 Gotenks, base Goku fighting final form Frieza who in his first form one shot killed Piccolo, ect. I mean, look at his reaction when those two powers collided You should know how Goku sandbags on literally all of his opponents, including his own son, which Gohan got on him about again... but evidently you don't know much about the DB lore to realize this case to be even arguing. It's like you don't even watch this show. Gohan sensed Frieza wasn't serious and he played along. [Question] Is Ultimate Gohan able to be stronger than SSB Goku or Vegeta? As for being inferior to Buuhan....Maybe? Golden Frieza vs Android 17 and Ultimate Gohan(DBS) Battle. @erkan12: you realize he was probably holding back right? Why can't you answer that Gohan literally has no affect on Toppo even with his Ultimate Kamehameha WITH the help of Anroid 17 while SSB Goku ALONE literally did the same thing, as well as Vegeta and Frieza having significant affect on him? Gohan in his Ultimate Form powers up further and keeps telling Goku to take the fight seriously and get stronger, Goku eventually goes Blueberry mode, they exchange some punches then he goes into using Kaioken with that form and they exchange a punch. Damn near. I mean, he was never seen being legit hurt during any of those battles. That was 17, all freiza did was cause him to lose the beam struggle. SSB is flatly 50x higher in power level than SSG.You're saying Goku was holding back SO MUCH that Gohan had less than a fiftieth his power level?If that were true, SSB Kaioken would have turned him into paste. Piccolo had a few good moments like his special beam canon on the U6 namekians, his strategy against the sniper, and him taking out the universe 4 guys, but overall he had a poor performance compared to everyone else. From their fight it seems to me Goku could have taken him just fine in SSJ2 or barring that SSJ3. This is getting pathetic... arguing over semantics when clearly what's been stated was that Gohan would lose to Dyspo. So to cover again.... Buu Saga Gohan is inferior to Buuhan who is inferior to Vegito. @lvenger: Well Goku is still stronger, Gohan is just a "rival" (this would include frieza, Vegeta, and possibly 17). Kurilin still beats both, he overpowered kamehameha from SSB Goku. Gohan very heavily held the advantage over Super Saiyan 2 Goku. Stop making ridiculous comments. That's why he asked him to use it before he beats him up. So what was the point of having his fight start with him getting wrecked if he was just going to easily win? It was stated in episode 91 by the narrator that current Gohan rivals Goku. Roshi, did way better than someone of his power should of and got a whole episode dedicated to him that was actually good and a follow up episode that had a lot about him as well and even put up a fight against Frost (who stomped Piccolo before), 8. I'm loving how you're literally just listing what opponents Gohan had to fight without even thinking of any context of power level within each fight or the fact he was clearly helped. He only turned to SSB because Gohan kept begging him to do so. It's a cheat code that lets you move into a crazy high power level without bleeding off ki or having to undergo insane body alteration like imperfect SS2 or SS3. He would not defeat Vegeta, but he's definitely in that tier of power. I'm just going to assume you had no answer to something that tore your argument inside out. @erkan12: you really think Goku wasn't holding back even in SSB? Gohan than proceeded to tank a hit, block a hit, and dish out a hit that knocks goku back. But in the fight right before the ToP where it was Gohan and Piccolo vs Goku and Tien, Piccolo didn't even try to fight base Goku he just charged up one of his strongest attacks to try to use on him. Ultimate Gohan vs SSR Future Trunks Power Levels - Dragon Ball Super - Duration: 1:46. Hard to say for sure. I do think Frieza would kill Gohan if they had a fight to the death....That doesn't mean Gohan isn't close to blue tier or God tier. I'm pretty sure that is better than anything Gohan did. » re: Ultimate Gohan (ToP) vs SSJ Rosé Goku Black. Goku was like "c'mon kid, wtf, you are way too weak" but Gohan kept begging so he turned SSB and used kaioken just for the show. Based on what happend we can say that Mystic Gohan and SSJ2 Goku were "roughly" equals. Goku only transformed because Gohan asked him to. The reason "Mystic Bullshit" exists, is because the technique itself is granting you the absolute apex of your potential. no. And any time Beerus gets serious in their fights(example being when he fodderized MSSJB Vegeta), it stops being an actual fight. Not only that, did you even watch the latest ToP episodes? And we also know that SSB is quit a bit above SSBlue. 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